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Revision as of 13:31, 16 April 2012
Here are some notes (and follow on research) from our trip to Europe in April 2012.
Industrial Symbiosis
Kalundborg Symbiosis Center
Came from our 3 hour meeting with Mette Skovbjerg, Project Manager and Berndt Jespersen on Tuesday - April 10, 2012.
- There is a company in Sweden that is selling greenhouses called Plantagon. Very advanced approach. Hans Hassle, the owner, is very advanced in his thinking.
- They also have a philosophy for Industrial Symbiosis for urban agriculture.
- The UK has formed the NISP - National Industrial Symbiosis Program (?)
- They are trying to help get industrial symbiosis' formed....lots on their website
- They have a website where you can post your waste you want to "sell"
- They have a facilitation approach to find waste matches
- Please note the "mindset is free!"
- by 2010 100% of Denmark's energy is to be renewable.
- One windmill = 400 mWatts
- People don't like the way they look
- Pension funds are funding the projects
- One of Bern's neighbors funded one.
- How about Catalaunch and wind
- Building on land is 1 fraction of cost of building at sea
- Waste of one company = Raw material for the next
- Each interconnect --- symbiotic relationship has:
- an arms length commercial agreement
- Agreements are typically 10 - 15 years
- makes each company better
- grew organically...no master plan, not a project, not an organization...it's a mindset
- seems to have been started by bthe engineers working together
- an arms length commercial agreement
- Examples -
- Fish farming ... uses 9C water from the power plant
- Symbiosis evolution
- 1.0 pure economics
- 2.0 Green...clean future together
- the power plant needs to be green by demand of the pharmacutical company
- "Can we solve this future better together?" Can get more by working together
- Unit Transferred = Waste Fraction
- Principles
- 1) Members that fit together can (need) to be different
- more difficult to combine waste streams of similar companies
- cluster theories of economics
- Yale has a great Center for Industrial Ecology; key Professor is Marian Chertow.
- 2) Focus on continuous waste streams
- Some are combining waste streams for several "suppliers" to meet the need
- 3) Each project is economically sustainable on it's own
- Payback timeframes have moved from 3-5yrs to 1-2 yrs
- 4) Physical location needs to be close by
- 5) Mental distance needs to be short
- 1) Members that fit together can (need) to be different
- Pyroneer = gasifier
- Algae innovators ecoduna
- Out of Austria
- Have production in Germany with a Swedish power company Vattenfall
- Gypno - gypsum company near a power plant
- Solum
- Anaerobic Digestion company from Denmark
- Aikan technology
- Have compost and gas production together
- This may be the answer to the water!!! It reuses the water over and over again. Cirulating it.
- Very low tech...but very innovative in the design
- Heat storage in vertical tanks
- 125C at top and 50C at the bottom (presurized)
- Use stratification to help.
- put input heat in the top...put cold in the bottom
- could mix if you need some temp in between
- uses large collendar like filters at the top and bottom to take the input but prevent the mixing
- Value Pyramid (using $/lb)
- 1) Medicine / Beauty ($/lb)
- 2) Nutrient
- 3) Animal Food
- 4) Energy
- unit prices go up dramatically
- first... use output at highest value
- Symbiosis Agreements
- arms length
- long-term
- benefit both
- have a "market" basis e.g. use 30 day energy rates